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February 07, 2007



Seriously, isn't it the lawmakers JOB to write and pass laws that can pass the Constitution smell test? Don't these jokers have staffs that could also help in this endeavor? They clearly don't have that warm and fuzzy feel on the subject nor, it seems, the intelligence to deal with it.

Curious? Why the protest only at funerals, why not abortion clinics too. Seems like they are picking and choosing where its okay to protest and the topic.


You mean an hour before and two hours after that funeral, too?

But I thought aborted babies weren't human? like your testy attitude though.


God must be dead if the Phelps clan is alive.


Not what I meant, but, (reluctantly) good job, jeetz. Didn't catch the hour before/after part. Before/after, it really doesn not matter to me. You being the self-proclaimed pro-Constitution guy on the board, I wouldn't think you would be in favor of this deal either, but I understand if you have another agenda to adhere to.

The Phelps clan are repulsive, but have the same rights to protest as anyone else.

That's all.


It is amazing that the Phelpses try to attach themselves to the Republican Party. Because they sue anything that disagrees with them. That Constitution (attitude) sure smells Democrat to me.

Along with that, a declaratory judgment sounds like good fiscal policy against the "sue it if it moves" attitude.

I'm pro-fiscal conservative too. And thank you for remembering my Pro-Constitution stand.


Although creative, perhaps, it probably won't work.

There is a judicial doctrine called ripeness. It usually means that courts will refrain from deciding an issue until its "ripe," i.e., that an actual controversy exists. This is sometimes also referred to as refusing to issue "advisory opinions." So, unless Kansas doesn't follow this approach, I think the court would dismiss a request from the AG to review the law prior to its enactment.

Maybe they are thinking about getting an advisory opinion from the AG?


Agreed, it would be advisory. I misused the words declaratory judgment.

But still fiscally smart.


They are some sick sick folk. I am continually amazed at their cavalier attitude towards the brave soldiers. Their position is literally crazy - certifiable.

and yet...if Fred Phelps accepts Jesus as his personal lord and saviour...

Mod Dem

It seems like those restrictions would pass the "time and place" permitted restrictions on free speech.

I don't think the Phelps are conservative or liberal, they're just batsh** crazy.


Crazy and repulsive they are. The resolution of the issues remains tricky. You always walk a dangerous line to restrict speech you don't like but who knows when it may be your speech in the sights.

Perhaps the time restriction will make it acceptable. Not restricting speech just changing its timing.

Gentle Ben

The Phelps klan are Democrats. Aside from his alleged campaign against homosexuals (personally, I think he's an agent provocateur), he is quite liberal and when he had his law license he filed quite a few civil rights actions.


"It is amazing that the Phelpses try to attach themselves to the Republican Party. "

He has even run for office as a Democrat.

where's yur info boys??? did you get it from hannity???


No, we got it from "ACLU" Fred. He doesn't hide your signature trademark, instead embraces it.

Come on, embrace him Dems. You can certainly find a place in your heart for Fred.


And David Duke was a Republican. Phelps hasn't even tried to win elected office (unlike Duke), so whatever his party affiliation is, is irrelevant. What exactly is your point about whether or not Phelps is a Dem or Repub? Who gives a sh!t! I suppose it makes you all feel better, but I'm not sure why.

Isaiah Phelps-Roper

You people sure have some strong hate pent up inside of you. How can you call us (Westboro Baptist Church) hateful or crazy, when you guys are irrationally being vicious and hateful. Read the Bible, and go to There are little videos explaining all of our signs on that website.

Oh, and FYI, we don't sue, we just get sued. Get your facts straight, you hypocritical liar.


Mr Phelps-Roper, yes there is a lot of hate on this board, I would agree. Seems some took more of an exception to you being labeled a Republican rather than the real issue of whether or not you have the right to protest. I think you have that right, although I think what you do is pathetic and repulsive. I have no interest in going to any website to see what the meaning of your signs are. I have no interest in knowing anything about you. You should be ignored.

That's all.


Okay y'all here I come with my patented message of peace, love, and human understanding based on common ground shared by almost all.

Republican, Democrat or like me somewhere in between...Liberal, Conservative or like me somewhere in between...believer, non-believer or like me somewhere in between...we all seem to agree that the folks at the Westboro Baptist Church spread a repulsive message of bigotry and hate. Thank you to the Phelps klan for demonstrating my heartfelt belief that there is indeed common ground among all people who possess a moral compass!

I will now return to ignoring them.

Down with bigotry and don't teach hate!


Mr. Phelps-Roper, I have read my Bible, and if I remember the teachings correctly, God is Love. He does not hate. Hate is a purely human traite. To protest saying that God hates. . . is ignorant. And by the way, to protest a funeral for a person that died fighting for the freedom of others is just tasteless.


I missed the action, darn it. I have to decrease my workload.

Hypocrital liar? Whoa, a double whammy of redundancy. Get back here you little Hearse-chaser and prove yourself.

Sorry tort attorneys, I was thinking of you when I called him that. ...but then again if the shoe fits


Dems, did you notice I left the "ic" out of Hypocritical. That was an accident, don't go off the deep-end and think it was some cryptic message.

Isaiah Phelps-Roper

God doesn't hate?
Leviticus 20:23 - And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Leviticus 26:30 - And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Deuteronomy 32:19 - And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:6 - Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psalm 10:3 - For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
Psalm 11:5 - The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 53:5 - There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.
Psalm 73:20 - As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.
Psalm 78:59 - When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:
Psalm 106:40 - Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.
Proverbs 6:16-19 - These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 22:14 - The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.
Lamentations 2:6 - And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.
Hosea 9:15 - All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Zechariah 11:8 - Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
Malachi 1:3 - And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

This very last verse is enough to lay waste any argument. Not only does it show that God does indeed hate, but it also shows that God hates people, which disproves another concept I'm sure you are in love with: "hate the sin, not the sinner." Esau was a person, and God hated Esau, therefore, God does hate people.

In addition, the Bible commands everyone to hate and eschew evil and wicked people and their filthy manner of life:
Psalm 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Notice the difference between God's perfect hatred and the humanly hatred of which you speak, of which you are replete.

That's it. I'm done. You can send an email to to continue your pointless argument.


"Yes, Jesus loves me....Yes, Jesus loves me....YYYYEEESSSS Jesus loves me for the bible tells me so." Let's everyone sing together...

I may have grown up to be a heathen hated by god but at least Jesus loves me...and I still remember that song from Sunday School. To quote Bill Murray in Caddyshack "So I got that going for me."

Down with bigotry and don't teach hate!


God such as this evil it must be. Much of the Dark Side sense in him do I. The Sith Lord Fred Phelps must be think I. Spend eternity with god like that think not I.

May the force be with you!

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