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February 13, 2007

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"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most responsive to change."
Charles Darwin (1809-82) English natural historian and geologist
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So the last clause of the above quote is being recognized for now?

Rp

The lack of publicity is due to this:
You get a lot of attention for doing blatantly stupid things. You don't get much attention for following the facts and doing the right thing.

Thank you Harry McDonald and the KS Citizens for Science for your work in bringing Kansas back from the Dark Ages. Rigorous and competitive science education involves presenting the best information from actual scientists. Who benefits? Kansas students.

Science Educator

Amen to that, brother.

Peace Marcher

Yes thank you for taking us away from laughing stock status.

Jeetzwillager

Rp said,

"You don't get much attention for following the facts and doing the right thing."

Please remember the above comment when the discussion turns to the "evolution" of a child in the womb. Or are you going to say that the (quoted) comment doesn't apply there?

That would be "development" NOT evolution.

God is just all right with me, God is just all right, oh yeah...

But I say no to ORGANIZED religion and nationalism.

Nice try, Jeetz.

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locomotivebreath1901

It's all still soooo laughable.

The bible is not a science book and 'creation science' cannot be verified with emperical data.

On the other hand, evolution is more philosophy than science and certainly cannot be proved with emperical data (or else the theory would be confirmed already).

Both take a lot of faith, so tell me again why either is being scutinized or considered for consumption in government schools?

Ah. A perfect place for my soap box!

VOTE SCHOOL VOUCHERS - VOTE SCHOOL CHOICE!

http://www.friedmanfoundation.org/schoolchoice/index.html

WOOT!

Jeetzwillager

Nice try, Jeetz? There is nothing nice about the truth. It scares the heck out of you liberals

And as for development, according to Kansas law development makes a change into an evolving, functional child during week 22. So the laws of nature don't apply here? Pre-birth isn't part of natural law?

According to Kansas law and the laws of other states, it is very much a part.

You libs crack me up.

Let this be my guess of a scientific response to any form of lawmaking counter to scientific law? "It's not a natural law until we say it's a natural law."

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Yo - Jeetzwillager

Knowing as much as you do about Kansas Law I am sure it is a fair assessment to draw the conclusion that you voted NO on the marraige amemdment in Kansas.

Because since "kansas law" is the absolute truth there was no reason to write into the constitution something that was already outlawed by kansas statute (i.e. a marriage is between one man and one woman).

This was placed on the books in I believe approx. 1890
becauedse the good kansasans did not want the evil mormon church spreading across the state line.

I would tip my hat for your no vote but even that original law form bfore 1900 was demonstrating the adage "Kansas as Bigoted as you Think"

Yo - Jeetzwillager

Knowing as much as you do about Kansas Law I am sure it is a fair assessment to draw the conclusion that you voted NO on the marraige amemdment in Kansas.

Because since "kansas law" is the absolute truth there was no reason to write into the constitution something that was already outlawed by kansas statute (i.e. a marriage is between one man and one woman).

This was placed on the books in I believe approx. 1890
becauese the good kansasans did not want the evil mormon church spreading across the state line (thus targeting a specific class).

I would tip my hat for your no vote but even that original law form before 1900 was demonstrating the adage "Kansas as Bigoted as you Think"

Protractor

I think we should also teach the stories of creation offered by Greek Mythology, the stories of creation that were told by the Egyptians, those handed down from generation to generation for millennia by the Plains Indians. Obviously, we would have to teach many, many more. That would only be a start. If we "teach the debate" so that our children can decide for themselves they should hear all points of view.

I like the old Start Trek (I THINK it was Star Trek) episode where it turns out we're all part of an ecosystem an alien teenager put together for his Science fair project...something like that. It could be that we humans were planted here by our ancestors from the now long dead planet of Zorgon Nine. It IS a possibility that no one has disproved to me yet! Go ahead...PROVE to me that we are NOT all descended from Zorgon Nine inhabitants. No books...physical proof, please.

Now I don't BELIEVE we're all from Zorgon Nine, but I am of the opinion that anything is possible.

"...It scares the heck out of you liberals."

That's Liberal to you, Mr. Jeetz.

JAMES

I believe in evolution, I've driven thru Wyandotte County!

aka

Again? And you know what will happen again? People will stop paying attention again and in an election cycle or two the crazies will creep back in again, change the standards again and Kansas will be held up to global ridicule again. Then people will start paying attention again, vote the crazies out again and change the standards back again. Lather, rinse, repeat (again).

I hope that the FSM will reach out with His Noodly Appendage and put an end to this and people will pay attention to the School Board EVERY election, not just when the far right crazies have wormed their way in. Education is important every year.

Mark

Neither Creationism or Evolution can be considered scientific theories - neither have empirical scientific evidence sufficient to support them. Neither have a provable hypothesis. Neither belong in science class as anything other than a chapter recognizing that science, for all its wonderful achievements, cannot answer all the questions of life.

Mark

Protractor, What we should teach our kids in science class is that science is not the answer to every question of life. I agree that there are a great number of unscientific theories that could be presented regarding the origin and development of human life (including macroevolution and creationism); however, our kids would be better served if they were taught that science does NOT have all the answers.

Jeetzwillager

Libs--you won boys! You had better "evolve" because you're in the driver's seat. And that makes your leaders the lawmakers now, so I'm scratching my head a bit trying to understand why you are critical of my support for the law.

Must be because you are use to being on the outside looking in.

But please be wary that you're veering into that wingnut role that you so graciously reserved for conservatives.

Don't give us an opening that you don't want us to have.

aka, that's what I was thinking apropos the Darwin blog.

Protractor

Mark, I do agree with you. I just don't want my tax dollars going towards my children being taught fairy tales as truth in public schools.

"...I'm scratching my head a bit trying to understand why you are critical of my support for the law."

Jeetz, seriously, several barristers on this blog have tried to explain to you why they are so critical of your support for the law. You don't get it. You're never going to get it. It's that simple.

The pendulum has swung. Take it easy.

Protractor

Let me qualify the statement I made regarding my agreeing with Mark. I agree that science does not have all the answers. That is inherent in the discipline. However, Evolution is indeed by definition a scientific theory. What trips up the conversation about the topic is that the term 'theory' has an entirely different meaning in a scientific context than it does in typical lay man semantics.

A scientific theory is actually a scientifically tested 'hypothesis' that has been supported again and again by observable results and data. Since science essentially terms no conclusion as 'fact' the strongest term for the outcome of a 'hypotheses' is 'theory'

Okay...at least that's what I remember from Geology 101 over 20 years ago. Those more learned in the language of science may well correct me.

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