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February 08, 2007

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John Fairfield – He hired a Hispanic campaign manager, and his daughter has spent time with some public school classmates who live in Section 8 housing.

Wow, Mr. Fairfield's answer is... how do I say this politely?...um...pathetic.

I would put Riederer response under the "pathetic" column as well. "I go to parties" pretty much sums it up.

Shields, she didn't even have to respond for me to put her in the pathetic column.

I guess you dont know anything abot Catholic worker houses or Dorothy Day-they do real true work in a very unglamourous setting.

Am I missing where it is being announced that these political forums will take place? I glance through this buzzblog every day - I would think on a political forum, these would be announced very prominently. Does anyone know of a good resource for being aware of these forums in advance of their occurrence? Are they on here somewhere and I am missing them? Thanks.

Candidates were asked when in their lives they’ve actually reached out to other ethnic groups.

"I guess you dont know anything abot Catholic worker houses or Dorothy Day-they do real true work in a very unglamourous setting. "

Okay, tell me how Reiderer's response and the original question go together.

Rubbish!

Angry In Northeast

Hold on a second...so Becky Nace's mom is Hispanic but she hired a campaign manager, Jeff Roe and Axiom Strategies, that received the "Most Racist Mail Piece" Award in 2006 for portraying a State Representative Candidate as being an illegal immigrant?

The award was announced on the "Heartland Labor Forum" the week following the election.

I've been compiling a list of candidates and forum information because I can't find it anywhere else.

http://homepage.mac.com/todtl/KCMO%20Election%20Information.htm

try2Bobjective

Thanks for posting the forum info, very useful.

earnie

I thought it was notable that nobody except Glover lives in the 'hood, not even the African-American candidates.

Janis Ellis bragged about living on Myer Circle and going to Church in the 'hood. Nice. *sarcastically* that's committment.

It appears most candidates have African-American friends, spend two hours every month around people of color, and those are their credentials.

Oh, and Becky Nace is 1/24th hispanic? She brags about her upbringing, but where does she live now? Actions always speak louder than words.

Albert Riederer has always reached out to people in need of whatever ethnic background. He is fair minded to the core, and cares deeply about his fellow man.

Blogotics

"Albert Riederer has always reached out to people in need of whatever ethnic background. He is fair minded to the core, and cares deeply about his fellow man. "
How can someone say that after campaign corrupted the endorsement of Four Freedoms. Riederer is attempting to say that he is all things to all people like all politicians like to say to make themselves and others feel better. Janice Ellis is rich and left her roots long ago just like OJ Simpson. Fairfield is not a racist because he lets his kids play with other kids of color...are you kidding me that makes someone non-discriminatory? Some of these candidates need to wake up and smell reality.

try2Bobjective

Blogotics, I tried to hold my tongue, it sounds like 3:18 is a Reiderer niece that really likes and admires her uncle.

Or -- it could be a really deranged, delusional voter......

suzyp

or it could be a hard core Dem who has known him a long time

Gentle Ben

Why should someone have to live in "the hood" to be a viable candidate for public office? Quite frankly, I want someone who's smart enough to get out of "the hood". There is nothing noble about being poor and living in a crime and drug infested environment.

Indeed, I think guilting successful blacks into living in crappy neighborhoods out of some misplaced "solidarity" is lunacy and just downright racist. I could go live in some crime and drug infested white neighborhood and subject my family to all that implies, but I choose to take advantage of the fact that I have the opportunity to live elsewhere.

It's one thing to be compassionate, another to be stupid (and we already have enough misguided fools holding office).

Aimee Gromowsky

----Albert Riederer has always reached out to people in need of whatever ethnic background. He is fair minded to the core, and cares deeply about his fellow man.-----

No - I didn't write this but I wholeheartedly agree.

Albert has always been an example of fairness and has a devotion to equality & justice. My father and Albert have both been inspirations in my life to do the right thing and to walk the talk.

I hope he is our next Mayor.

Hey "gentle" Ben - I live in the hood, and I'm not poor. I live here because I like the housing stock, I like the diversity in my neighborhood, and I like the convenience to downtown and Westport. I don't know Glover, but I do know that anyone who lives day to day in the hood can't help but have a different perspective and understanding of the issues. To your point about taking advantage of your opportunity to live elsewhere - that's great for you. But a lot of people don't have the option. Regardless, they still deserve to be represented.

Gentle Ben

Hmmmmm, I wonder what exactly you mean by "the hood"?

I agree that people, regardless of their status economically, should be represented and have a voice in government. However, to claim that somehow not living in "the hood" makes one a poorer candidate is just nonsense. how can someone who has not made it out of the hood themselves help others get out, if that's what they choose to do? To infer that Janice Ellis now has it too good to remember what it was like to grow up in segregated Mississippi is just nuts. More power to her if she can, but we both know that's not going to happen.

i too enjoy the diversity of a large city, but being poor and living in a crappy neighborhood doesn't give you any lock on wisdom and what it takes to run a major city, just the opposite I suspect.

try2Bobjective

Hey Gentle Ben, take a breath, turn off KMBZ (I can hear Rush in the background) and listen.

Our next mayor doesn't HAVE to live in the hood. But let's talk about your definition of success and your defense of white & black flight. You're a conservative kinda guy, so I'll put it in terms you can understand.

I apologize in advance for the long-winded entry, so I'll give you the punchline early: knee-jerk conservatives tend to focus only on personal responsibility as it relates to themselves, and thinking conservatives expand that definition to include the responsbility to make the world a better place - by helping others through concrete actions and some level of personal sacrifice.

Sounds biblical, doesn't it? I thought you might like that.

First, let's take your knee-jerk conservative point of view. People move from low-income to higher income, and are rewarded by having the ability to move out of their low-income neighborhood. After all, that's the benchmark of success, right Ben? Whence, low income neighborhoods continue to be isolated, and demand more tax dollars in services (police, welfare, etc). And by the way, we're going to have a lot of low income people here in KC, regardless of what the economy does, for about the 250 years (or more). Low income people and low income neighborhoods aren't going away even at the highest resonable GDP growth rate we could imagine.

Everybody isn't going to get rich someday soon and just leave the "inner city".

Summary of knee-jerk conservative point of view: more tax dollars go to try to maintain & support chronically poor neighborhoods.

Now, let's take a thinking-man's conservative point of view. By the way, people like Jim Talent are advocates of this sort of approach as well. As people increase their income they stay in or near their neighborhoods and create mixed-income neighborhoods - that draw more people and services to that neighborhood. Higher income people also serve as role models. I'm oversimplifying, but I think you get my point.

Summary: mixed income neighborhoods improve the lifestyle of low income AND middle-income people that live in that neighborhood. And crime goes down, and education improves. In fact a lot of things improve.

This isn't liberal patter - I'm wealthy by most people's standards, and I live in an inner city mixed income neighborhood that was a low income neighborhood. It works, it's working in Kansas City and in cities all over the U.S. I won't further bore you with details, unless you really want to go there.

What you're saying, whether you intended to or not, is pretty harsh: low-income people deserve to be isolated, and it's the government's job to fix the problem.

Ben, you're sounding like you're relying on government to fix a pretty big problem. I think there are other, more market-driven ways.


Hey 11:40 AM, are those cathloic worker houses for pedophiles, or illegals?

Gentle Ben

Again, we do not disagree. My reaction was to a post which seemed to think that only those who suffered with the poor on an ongoing basis could have the wisdom to govern KC. That's just ridiculous on the face of it.

What you're talking about is a sense of community in the way it has been practiced in KCK and the old ethnic neighborhoods of CHicago. There's certainly merit to what you're saying. the economic power of those who are successful gives the neighborhood, as a whole, more clout and hence helps to lift the entire area up. Washington DC is a city that has made use of this approach. KCK has tried several of these projects with varied degrees of success and there are several older areas of KCMO around UMKC that are making a come back.


The thing that bothers me is that I've seen many of these projects where special financing arrangements are made available to build new housing in the urban core in the hope that it will do as you suggest. Unfortunately, when these fail what happens is that often families are stuck with the choice of staying in a dangerous, drug infested environment, or defaulting on their mortgage since they are unable to sell the house for the price they paid for it. Their credit is ruined, and the investment that it sounds like both you and I share in an appreciating neighborhood, is denied them.

I get around the city quite a bit, as it appears you do, and we've both seen what happens when a drug house, or gang activity, takes over a block. Property values are destroyed, as are people's investment in their property. They are left with only the choice of abandoning their home, or subjecting their families to constant danger from the street thugs.

Again, we're not in disagreement. There are many urban neighborhoods in KCMO that I would gladly live in (but can't afford), but i'm taking a look at both sides of the equation. Also, keep in mind that we've gone a far distance away from the post I originally responded to.

try2Bobjective

Ben, those are very good points. I apologize if I overreacted to your comments.

Gentle Ben

Not at all, my friend, it seems to be the nature of the beast. I'll remember your screen name and we'll see if future discussions can begin on a better footing. Have a great evening.

Gentle Ben

Oh, and my apologies also. For some reason I tend to come off as being much harsher than intended.

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