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October 29, 2006

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Old Drum

The editorial support McCaskill got it right. If you like the way things are going, you can vote comfortably for Talent because he is not going to change anything. On the other hand, if you don't like the way things are going, you should vote for McCaskill.

By the way, if you don't like negative ads, I recommend this passage from the editorial:

Talent’s shrill, deceptive campaign ads — over-the-top even by lax political standards — have been disconcerting. Pressed about them last week, Talent oddly sought credit for not using them earlier. He added with apparent pride that other candidates had run even worse material elsewhere.

So, I guess if you support someone whose negative ads that are "shrill" and "overtop" but notes they could have been worse, then you should vote for Talent. If you want to see fewer shrill and overtop in the future, vote for McCaskill.

Ed Friedemann

Iraq is the problem?

Listening to candidates for congress we hear a lot about Iraq. As they babble about, we tend to consider which candidate manages to slip the question, while seemingly to have answered it. And somehow I think that most of us do not have any solutions and perhaps feel some empathy for the candidate whose currently fumbling that hot potato.

Given the set of circumstances being given to us on Iraq, tends to bring on a frustration commonly know as "between a rock and a hard place," with the usual elusive set of solutions.

What is not discussed is that Iraq is a intricate part of the entire Middle East, with all Arabs watching and pretty much disgusted with what they seeing.

John Evans

Claire is Right we need change. Talent lies about good economy. It is on the brink of disaster.

GAO Chief Warns Economic Disaster Looms

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - David M. Walker sure talks like he's running for office. "This is about the future of our country, our kids and grandkids," the comptroller general of the United States warns a packed hall at Austin's historic Driskill Hotel. "We the people have to rise up to make sure things get changed."

But Walker doesn't want, or need, your vote this November. He already has a job as head of the Government Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress that audits and evaluates the performance of the federal government.

Basically, that makes Walker the nation's accountant-in-chief. And the accountant-in-chief's professional opinion is that the American public needs to tell Washington it's time to steer the nation off the path to financial ruin.

From the hustings and the airwaves this campaign season, America's political class can be heard debating Capitol Hill sex scandals, the wisdom of the war in Iraq and which party is tougher on terror. Democrats and Republicans talk of cutting taxes to make life easier for the American people.

What they don't talk about is a dirty little secret everyone in Washington knows, or at least should. The vast majority of economists and budget analysts agree: The ship of state is on a disastrous course, and will founder on the reefs of economic disaster if nothing is done to correct it.
http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20061028%2FD8L1RVQ80.html

Lisa Wilson

Claire is right for Missouri. Talent, who would support the war in Iraq, knowing what he knows today (knowing Iraq had no WMD)said he would still support the war. I about fell out of my chair when he said this on the Meet The Press debate.
So the above comment is correct in saying if you are happy with Bush, then you can be happy with Talent, they are practically twins, as Talent has voted 94% of the Bush agenda.
Now, Talent has taken the low road, he has decided to bombard the voters here with attack ads on T.V. and mailings everyday in the last 5 days! I guess he has plenty of money to do this, he still, to my knowledge has not returned monies from indicted Republican Tom Delay, http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15581098&BRD=1452&PAG=461&dept_id=155076&rfi=6, though I guess he did return money from Jack Abramhoff. So why should he change things when they are working well for him.
He has not been able to make up his mind about stem cell. Last I knew, he was for stem cell research, which must mean he is pro-life, but he just did not want cloning. Well, Amendment 2 gives us the legislation that is needed for research and part of the legislation is NO HUMAN CLONING! This amendment is about cures. I am not sure if the corporate pharmaceuticals are happy about this, if someone had a cure, they would not need the medicines for that disease.
Missouri needs a breathe of fresh air from all the shadiness and crookiness in Washington and it is long in the coming. Claire McCaskill is the clear choice for Missourians rural, like myself and for you city folks too.

John Evans

US warned of ballot box chaos as elections near


· Report says 10 states not ready for electronic vote
· Scientist hacks into new polling machine on TV

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Friday October 27, 2006
The Guardian


Six years after the emergence of the now infamous "hanging chad" in the 2000 presidential elections, monitoring groups warn that technological glitches and hackers could throw next month's mid-term elections into chaos.

With polling day less than two weeks away, a report this week by electionline.org, a non-partisan organisation, anticipates problems at the ballot box in as many as 10 states.

"Machine failures, database delays and foul-ups, inconsistent procedures, new rules and new equipment have some predicting chaos at the polls at worst, and widespread polling place snafus at best," the report says.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/midterms2006/story/0%2C%2C1932655%2C00.html

Have the electorate been hibernating the last few years? The GOP operatives are counting on it.

Counting they won't remember that their sons and daughters are being maimed and dying for a lied-into war of choice, while their obdurate Commander in Cheat tries out new Iraq slogans on the campaign trail.... while Osama bin Laden remains at large.... while the war breeds more terrorists .... while Halliburton profiteers with no-bid contracts, and taxpayers spend hundreds of billions on this worst foreign policy blunder ever.

Counting they won't remember the unimaginable debt The Decider and his Congressional enablers are piling on our children.... the waste and corruption in the halls of Congress ....the middle-class disappearing ....jobs and companies leaving the U.S. while illegal aliens by the millions cross our border with Mexico to demand their "rights."

Party operatives are on the prowl and distracted voters are their prey.... hoping the electorate won't trust their instincts.... won't fight for their survival, their right to be represented and heard.

It's time to strike out, to escape the savage GOP grip on power.

- What Happened To My Country Blogspot

John Evans

UN official: U.S. terror law may violate international treaties
The Associated Press

Published: October 27, 2006
GENEVA Washington's new anti-terrorism law could end up violating international treaties protecting detainees, with some provisions denying suspects the right to a fair trial, a key U.N. rights expert said Friday.

Martin Scheinin, the United Nations' expert on protecting human rights in the fight against terrorism, said the Military Commissions Act signed into law earlier this month by U.S. President George W. Bush contains provisions "incompatible" with U.S. obligations to adhere to treaties on human rights and humanitarian law.

"One of the most serious aspects of this legislation is the power of the president to declare anyone, including U.S. citizens, without charge as an 'unlawful enemy combatant' - a term unknown in international humanitarian law," said Scheinin, a legal expert from Finland.

As a result, he said, those detainees are subject to the jurisdiction of a military commission composed of military officers - rather than a civilian court of law.

He also deplored the denial of the habeas corpus rights of foreigners - including legal, permanent U.S. residents - to challenge the legality of their detention, "in manifest contradiction with" the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, a treaty the U.S. ratified in 1992.

Another concern, Scheinin said, is the denial of detainees' rights to see evidence that could exonerate them if the evidence is deemed classified. That, he said, "severely impedes the right to a fair trial."

A spokeswoman for the U.S. mission to international organizations in Geneva said the law was written to specifically address those concerns. Brooks Robinson said the law was written "in consultation with and in response to concerns by our allies and partners."

She also said U.S. State Department legal adviser John B. Bellinger III addressed the concerns last week.

"The only thing that the government is not required to turn over is evidence ... or information that is in the government's files about the individual," Bellinger told reporters in Washington on Oct. 19. "But if it's not used against the accused, they don't have to turn it over. So the government is not required essentially to turn over its file drawers about every bit of information it knows about the accused."

Bellinger also said then that if there is "evidence that might tend to show that he's innocent of the crime, whether that evidence is used in any way, the government is required to turn it over to him."

"The accused will be present at all times during the trial to hear the evidence against him," he said.

Bellinger disputed that "unlawful combatant" was a Bush administration invention, and said respected European legal experts had been using the term for decades to refer to "individuals who fight in a conflict but who do so in an unlawful way so that they are not benefiting from prisoner of war status."

The International Committee of the Red Cross, the guardian of the Geneva Conventions, also has criticized the new law, raising "concerns and questions" over whether it complies with the universally accepted rules on the conduct of warfare.

Scheinin said he offered to visit the United States more than a year ago and that he hopes the government will invite him "in the very near future" so that he can discuss the issue with U.S. officials.

In addition to his "numerous concerns" with the new law, he said his reservations also include the Patriot Act, CIA secret detention centers act and the sending of U.S. detainees to other countries.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/27/news/UN_GEN_UN_US_Terrorism_Law.php

John Evans

The way the police treat us verges on the criminal


Guilty until proven innocent now seems to be the watchword of a government that increasingly treats its law-abiding citizens with absolute contempt
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/comment/0,,1934387,00.html

tsquare

Oh My God!

The Star turns out for Claire!

SHOCKING!

I thought it is a NEWSpapaer.

no news here with this.

With the Ed boards of both the Star and the STL Post so, intrenched with the Dems, why not just publish this back in Aug?

somewhere in the middle

sour grapes from a bitter harvest...

Looking at current and past members of the US Congress, I doubt it makes much difference whether Claire or Jim get a six year term. They will practice life in DC just as the others do. It may take Claire a couple of years to get "in the swim" but she will become a swimmer like all the rest.

Sheilds expenditures probably mirrow expenditures by previous County Executives. Remember, she received a majority of the votes on three occasions and the local Democrats embraced her closely. It's just now that she is leaving office that the cads and cats are showing their true nature.

Old Drum

I admire the absolutely fact-free, reason-free posting by our good friend tsquare.

The Star turns out for Claire! /SHOCKING! / I thought it is a NEWSpapaer.

That newspapers make endorsements all the time is apparently a novel idea to our good friend.

More seriously, tsquare could have provided some reasons why the Star's endorsement was wrong. The editorial's main point was that McCaskill will bring change and Talent won't. Now, perhaps, our good friend, tsquare, would like to tell us why change is not good and we need to "stay the course" in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, continue to give tax cuts to the very wealthiest Americans, and never have any oversight on how our money is being spent.

Let us be very clear about what is at stake here in Missouri on November 7th. If you like the direction our country is going both domestically and in our foreign affairs, then vote for Talent. He has never challenged the fundamental policies of Bush/Cheney, and he has given no indication he has changed. If you don't like the direction our country is going in, then vote for McCaskill because she will not be a rubber stamp for the policies of Bush/Cheney.

Because our good friend can't defend the policies of Bush/Cheney, tsquare is unable to provide a reasoned argument why the Star's endorsement is wrong.

tsquare

My friend Old Drum misses the point.

That the Star indorsed Claire, was expected…

Now had they indorsed Jim THAT would have been news

That the Editorial Boards of the two largest newspapers are in the pocket of the Democrats, isn’t news

That they also keep loosing readership and money isn’t news either.

As to “…and we need to "stay the course" in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, continue to give tax cuts to the very wealthiest Americans, and never have any oversight on how our money is being spent.”

My dear friend, I will engage in a discussion on any of these points anytime you’d like. Unfortunately you often lack a clear understanding on both the current situation and the ‘history’ of these things to allow you to keep up in any such discussion.

Just a quick, small example: ”…give tax cuts to the very wealthiest Americans,”

They are the only ones paying taxes. You know that the top 25% pay close to 85% of the taxes and that the lowest 25% ‘tax payers’ actually get MORE BACK than they paid in. Right now…

You also know, that every time we cut the tax RATE the amount of TAXES PAID goes up.

So, what this election is all about is do we elect a man who is true to his nation, and to the values of our state, or a woman who will vote to raise your taxes while her family money is in tax shelters in Bermuda?

Dickeylee

The "values" of our state are to give big oil $11 billion in tax breaks?

John Fairfield for Mayor!!! I can't wait!

southerngirl

Talent is endorsed by the Springfield News Leader, The St. Joseph News Press, The Sikeston Standard democrat, and teh Jefferson City News Tribune.. all reputable, and some help with the rural base. Just thought while the endorsements were flying I would mention these. Spent my first day in the sunny bootheel home today working on gotv for JIm and got to meet his african american coalition leader here in bootheel. This is typically a dem county, don't think a gop would ever carry except for Jo Ann Emerson, but I do believe that there is strong support for him here with his work after the devastating tornado and his continued suport as rebuilding is just beginning to take place in earnest. It was a great day, met Claire supporters and Jim supporters, but there are probably 100-150 vote no on amendment 2 signs to absolutely none vote yes. other races, I think Montee has it in bag, see more of her signs and only a few CLaires. Going to be an odd race in bootheel I think and I am being fair. I think they will go Jim, Montee, and no on 2, no on 3 and yes on minimum wage, they are voting local issues it appears.

CRD

We'll see come Nov. 7. It's looking pretty neck-and-neck, but with the anti-GOP mood in this country, I wouldn't feel good putting my money on Talent.

McCaskill's looking pretty good in an even race.

southerngirl

I was not commenting on whole state, just southeast. The anti gop mood does not seem to be hitting down here, but you are right in other areas. That is what will make for a long election night I think. But here in southeast mo, it is special circumstance like I said because of tornado, Talent has been a hero to some people here. When half of a town of 7000 is destroyed and someone comes in and help I think there is a certain amount of loyalty. It just makes things more neck and neck..they seem to match endorsements, so I think it is going to be get out the vote. I have always been intrigued with politics, this is first time I am actually participating in a gotv, and if nothing else, you sure learn something.

I think the issues down here are tied with a lot of the churches right now. ANd without straight party voting anymore, it will be different to see as each candidate has to be marked. Our county clerk said that this may hurt as some voters found it easier here in democratic country to hit that straight ticket. I don't know, just speculation as anything, but I would say there are 30 talent signs for every 2 claires, something odd in this county to have that many gop signs in yards. Also, the gop gotv did get Bush 11 more votes 2 years ago, the first time this county ever voted for a presidential candidate that was not dem except for George Wallace.

But I fnd this very interesting to see how it plays, I guess I got bit by the political bug and there is quite a bit of talk around town, mostly anti amendment 3 and pro minimum wage coffee shop talk.

so our self proclaimed rural vote analyst is basing her opinions on how many signs are in yards?

southerngirl

you know anon...if you READ the posts, you will see I was knocking doors yesterday for gotv and at two events in coffee shops. I talked to lots of people. I did not analyze, I just spoke of the climate..I am completely disgusted that a person can't even try to write civil comments (I did not insult Claire, I said I spoke to Claire people) anymore without the tension..well you know what, it is just a sign of nothing better to say. I was just pointing out was was seen down here, it is odd to see so many republican signs, it is odd to have an african american coalition helping with door knocking and it is not odd to see the church votes for amendment 2. Get off of it, I have never proclaimed myself an expert, I started blogging because I stumbled on it in this campaign and this is my first gotv...read the posts--I said it would be interesting race...other then that go pick on someone else that is what you seem to be best at. Have a great week...supposed to be near 80 great for door knocking.

Dickeylee

I will give SouthernGirl her due, she's at least doing something. Voter turnout predicted to be 39-42%. Pitiful. Really pitiful. I'm cringing about the new voting machines this fall also. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about fraud, but I feel they are a step back from counting the old paper ballots by hand. There were what, 12,000 plus election since Missouri became a state? How'd they manage without Diebold?

Even the state is cutting jobs with an anticipated minimum wage increase. Bring on the voting machines eliminate paying people to work elections! YEAH!

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